From thytwothou@hotmail.com Mon Feb 12 10:42:38 2001 Path: news.bu.edu!newsxfer.eecs.umich.edu!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.cwix.com!sjc-peer.news.verio.net!news.verio.net!iad-read.news.verio.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Message-ID: <3A875BB9.AEE40220@hotmail.com> From: Thylacine 2000 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: alt.toys.transformers Subject: Re: What the frick happened? References: <967ab9$sbm$1@nnrp1.deja.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 84 Date: Sun, 11 Feb 2001 22:42:50 -0500 NNTP-Posting-Host: 168.191.55.43 X-Complaints-To: abuse@verio.net X-Trace: iad-read.news.verio.net 981949659 168.191.55.43 (Mon, 12 Feb 2001 03:47:39 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2001 03:47:39 GMT Organization: Verio Xref: news.bu.edu alt.toys.transformers:467473 ShadowWing: Autobot among Maximals wrote: > Dusty wrote > >We get news that we are getting "Robots in Disguise" and all of the > >sudden we have people hardcore bitching about the "Beast era" and (I > >have no idea why this is) even "Robots in Disguise", itself. > > There has been underlying Beast hatred for a while, probably accelerated > with the ending of Beast Machines. True, though as usual it's hardly ever from credible sources, and when it *is*, it is phrased in a manner unlike the sort that we typically see here. The people who would actually have us believe that the entirety of the Beast- continuity was a sacrilegious blemish against "real" TFs are, almost without exception, totally uninformed outsiders. Almost to the last one, they haven't seen so much as a minute of the show. Most of them simply do not know what they are talking about, and what's more, have no interest or intention in learning. > Plus some believe that Hasbro has "seen > the light", which means "they're finally making what *I* want". More of the pseudofan drivel inspired by fractured rumors of "Transformers 2000" with its "Firetruck Optimus Prime", dood. That entire line, whether it was in Japan or the U.S., gave a big boost to the nostalgic-fringes' notion that Transformers began, reached its peak, and ended all within 1984-85. > And when some try to defend their era, they're either taken out of > context or proclaimed "not true fans"; the latter really getting under my > shell. As far as I'm concerned, being a fan has nothing to do with how dedicated you are or how much you know; instead, it's a question of attitudes. If someone legitimately thinks that ONLY the stuff which he/she happens to know about (read: remembers from childhood) really counts, and that everything else sux.... well, they don't belong here. > >Worst of all....YOU ARE ALL NEW! I don't recognize ANY of you, Heh. Wait 'til August, when all the grade-school kids show up. I hope the BW DVDs come out in time to deal with the influx of new fans.... show them all what's REALLY out there, and what they've been missing. ;) For what it's worth, I am pleased by the whole RID scheme, such as it appears to be. I'm glad that I can mostly take a break from toy collecting, and at the same time will likely get the chance to buy an inexpensive Devil Gigatron if/when it is released to coincide with the show. I'm glad that I'll be able to see a new official animated instalment in the TF canon. Most of all, I'm glad that TFs as a phenomenon is still alive, and going a damn sight stronger than, say, Thundercats or M.A.S.K. What do I want from the RiD cartoon? Very little. I want entertaining/zany/insane voice talent and dubbing, which we're likely to get in the post-Digimon age. I want fun. Beast Machines wasn't any fun--RID has to be more entertaining, more likely to appeal to my tastes in lightweight escapist robot adventure cartoon nonsense. And I honestly wouldn't care if the show BLATANTLY contradicts ALL of established TF "canon", such as it is, in every imaginable way. Don't add superfluous CGI sequences where Optimus Prime explains everything that happened in the last four million and twenty years. Don't mention anything that happened before, nor any past character's name, for even a moment. Don't pressure the dubbers to try to make it link to some obscure Headmasters-era bullcrap that only a minority of the people *on this group* would even comprehend, let alone care about. Have some no-name shmuck do the voice of "Megatron". Fine by me. The show will still be Transformers, and with luck, it'll offend all the fringies who had been gearing up to thumb their noses at Beest Warz. -- T T T "BETTER LIVING THROUGH ZOOLOGY!" Random Cartoon Quote of the Day (from memory!): "Here we are, Doyle--the only two kids from Earth at a high school in outer space! How do you feel?" "Um, a little spaced-out, Aimee!" --Aimee Brighttower and Doyle Cleverlobe, "Galaxy High"